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chobbs66 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 11, 09 11:26 am

Really sweet Rick. Do you have any special ornamentation planned for the tabletop? Cal

Jefferson · **Posted:** Tue Aug 11, 09 3:03 pm

Thanks Cal.

As far as the top goes, I dunno, I've thought of and changed my mind on several things I could do. But I haven't come to a firm conclusion yet. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

Well, so far so good on banding the legs. between the mahogany and the black socks, the Purina banding looks pretty good me thinks.

Here's how I'm insetting it. First I score the outside of the area, then relieve the shoulders with a chisel, then route out the bulk of the waste with a 1/4" spiral bit, then clean up with chisels and non-tailed router.

Hopefully I'll have more tomorrow.

Rick

FLWoodRat · **Posted:** Tue Aug 11, 09 3:06 pm

Rick,

You are doing an awesome job. Those black stocking look sweet on the lady's legs.

Bruce

Jefferson · **Posted:** Tue Aug 11, 09 3:09 pm

Thanks Bruce,

And the neat thing about them is how easy they are to do. Simplest embellishment on the table, and adds a lot of visual punch to the legs.

Rick :geek:

Jefferson · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 09 10:05 am

Okay sports fans, :lol:

Well I wasn't going to post an update until I had the paterae's done but as have some of the other steps they're taking longer than I'd hoped.

Most of the issue has been with the agonizing act of actually making up my mind what I wanted to do and then actually getting them produced. I think the table would look fine without them but creating and using paterae on the legs was on my list of things this table was to be a test bed for, so I need to do them for the experience. That said, I don't want to ruin the table in the process so it's been a struggle in some ways. :roll:

I know, pretty pathetic. :lol:

But, I have completed all the banding on the legs. I think I showed the other day how I used them at the bottom, but I also ran banding around the top portion of the leg to run along the same plane as the banding at the bottom of the apron.

Here's what it looks like thus far............

I have some things I could show regarding the paterae but I don't want to let that cat out just yet. Hopefully soon. :geek:

Rick

barrydaniel · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 09 10:28 am

Someone has been busy!! Table is coming along great. Keep up with the pictures, that really helps explain the steps for A to B. Can't wait for the patrea.

swedishiron · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 09 10:31 am

Rick,
Man.. the table looks really great.. the figure in the legs, the banding, inlay.. I'm really impressed w/ the way it has come together.. I love this thread, keep posting brother! Patrea, Patrea...

Jefferson · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 09 10:40 am

Scott, Barry, thanks guys, I appreciate the kind words.

But after reading youse guys posts is looks as if I don't know how to spell. :oops:

I thought it was paterae, but I guess it's patrea.

Rick

FLWoodRat · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 09 10:50 am

Rick,

Your table is looking great. You must be having a whole lot of fun in the bunker.

Rat

Jefferson · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 09 11:05 am

FLWoodRat wrote:

Rick,

Your table is looking great. You must be having a whole lot of fun in the bunker.

Rat

Thanks Bruce.

Yes, fun, and angst! :oops:

Rick

cmiddleton · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 09 2:02 pm

Rick,

You are right it is patera and paterae is the plural form of the word. Great progress on the table. Did I miss the knuckle joints for the back legs? Enjoying your postings.

Jefferson · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 09 3:37 pm

Thanks Chuck

No, I haven't shown anything on the knuckle joints, but I will soon, they need a little work yet. But I have pictures archived of the process I used.

Rick

Freddy Roman · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 09 7:09 pm

1st off great job. 2ndly you should of used the stew-mac dremel base for routing out the bell flowers. This is how I do it and there very little clean up. What makes it great is that the base wide open and the bits come in 1/32-1/4 in width. The bits are spiral up cut bits with 1/8 shank. You can get the bits from Drill Technology under Steve Latta's bits. Yet this is what makes bell flowers hard CLEAN UP. You did great and you will only get faster.

Fred

Jefferson · **Posted:** Fri Aug 21, 09 8:25 pm

Freddy Roman wrote:

1st off great job. 2ndly you should of used the stew-mac dremel base for routing out the bell flowers. This is how I do it and there very little clean up. What makes it great is that the base wide open and the bits come in 1/32-1/4 in width. The bits are spiral up cut bits with 1/8 shank. You can get the bits from Drill Technology under Steve Latta's bits. Yet this is what makes bell flowers hard CLEAN UP. You did great and you will only get faster.

Fred

Hey Freddy, thanks.

I'm kinda doing it your way know. I'm using a 1/32" spiral in a trim router. I think the biggest thing I need to do is get more light on it, or maybe some magnification or both.

So, what are you working on these days? Got any more Seymour jobs on tap?

Rick

TOMMY MAC · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 09 6:09 am

nice job rick..keep trucken

Jefferson · **Posted:** Sat Aug 22, 09 9:14 am

Thanks Tommy.

I'm hoping to get some stuff accomplished this weekend.

Rick :geek:

rwyoung · **Posted:** Mon Aug 24, 09 9:34 am

Wow, great looking stuff!

rdare · **Posted:** Mon Aug 24, 09 12:35 pm

Way to go Rick!

Now you're coming to the best part, the top! Good thing you waited until last. I used to lay up the top first, loved to look at that crotch veneer, but then realized that it was getting beat up from just laying around the shop for months.

Can't wait to see it/

Dick

Jefferson · **Posted:** Mon Aug 24, 09 3:20 pm

Thanks RW,

Dick, whoa, hold on big fella, I'm not veneering this top. oh no, this has been challenging enough (not to mention time consuming) without doing a sunburst top. I think I'll save that for the next one.

Now, the last thing I mentioned I was working on was the paterae for the legs. What I'm wanting to do is a 3 color deal with an oak leaf and some acorns. Man, has this been an education, I've never messed with marquetry before, and until I picked up this Dewalt scrollsaw hadn't touched one of those for 20 years. :shock:

So far I'm learning a lot about blade selection and proper support for the veneer leaves.

To date to describe my efforts I'll call on the immortal Emmit Smith,.....

Oooohhhhh it's baaaadddddd.

But, I went out and got two different types of blades and I'm going to try making a sandwich to put the veneer leaves between, so I'm sure I'll get it figured out...............eventually.

Rick

barrydaniel · **Posted:** Mon Aug 24, 09 9:33 pm

Rick, look up Silas Kopf on FWW he has done a bunch of stuff on marquetry, his video is very informative. If you are using hide glue you can glue a paper backing to the veneer to keep it from coming apart. You can try to make a zero clearance throat for the saw with sheet of ply double stuck to the table of the saw.

Of course you may have already knew all this.

JSJackson · **Posted:** Tue Aug 25, 09 4:41 am

Rick,

Awesome job. I am very impressed. Talk about a piece of heirloom furniture, this is it? Is this the first one you have made? What is the top going to look like? What made you decide to tackle a piece like this?

I can't wait to see it with the top on. Great job!

Jeff

Jefferson · **Posted:** Tue Aug 25, 09 8:45 am

Thanks Barry, and you too Jeff.

I'll have to look into the info you guys reference for sure. :idea:

Jeff, to answer your question, yes, this is my first Fed piece. In fact there is a list of "firsts" on this project as long as your arm. But that was the intent, I figured the only way to get up to speed on these various procedures was to just jump in feet first and do it. And man, has this project taken me to school. :geek:

Rick

Jefferson · **Posted:** Thu Sep 10, 09 12:12 pm

Ok you people :lol:

Well after jacking around with several different ideas and liking few of them, I think I've decided what I'm going to with.

I was sort of wanting to do something a little different, but not weird, and a couple of different things things caught my eye at about the same time and got me to thinking. I was looking through some back issues of FWW the other evening and was admiring the sun burst table top Mark Arnold recently did, plus an old paterae design from one of my books sparked a thought. Why couldn't I do something similar with my table for it's paterae?

So I kind of mixed the ideas, changed the shape & materials, and came up with what I'm about to show in the pics below. I'll also show how I made them.

Now that I have 4 of these produced (one is still being pressed) I'm going to frame them with black/white stringing like I used on the apron. Ten I'll be ready to inlet them into the legs.

I've also finally decided on the various embellishments for the top, but I'll save that for a future post.

Thanks for looking.

Rick

FLWoodRat · **Posted:** Thu Sep 10, 09 3:12 pm

Rick,

I like the idea, but have to admit.. I'm totally confused (Normally I am just 'mostly' confused). I've never done or contemplated doing inlays and the whole geometry thing boggled my old mind at first sight. Dammit, now I have to go get a book and learn about it. Oh well, I guess it's not a bad thing to learn new thngs.

Good luck with it.

Bruce

Jefferson · **Posted:** Thu Sep 10, 09 5:25 pm

FLWoodRat wrote:

Rick,

I like the idea, but have to admit.. I'm totally confused (Normally I am just 'mostly' confused). I've never done or contemplated doing inlays and the whole geometry thing boggled my old mind at first sight. Dammit, now I have to go get a book and learn about it. Oh well, I guess it's not a bad thing to learn new thngs.

Good luck with it.

Bruce

I'm not sure I'm following Bruce, but then I too confuse easily.

Rick

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